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Interview with SK Gaming general manager Joe 'InnerFlame' El Ouassi: 'We're not the SK of old, we're not afraid of making tough decisions to try and get to the top. And I don't care about finishing sixth in the LEC – I want to win. I've come close to winning in the past, and that’s not good enough for me.' – Esports News UK

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SK Gaming made headlines not too long ago after shifting star League of Legends (LoL) assist participant Treatz to the jungle, benching beginning jungler TynX and bringing again head coach Jesiz as assist.
They completed sixth to succeed in the playoff spots throughout the closing day of an unpredictable LEC Spring 2021 Season, however SK Gaming’s British common supervisor Joe ‘InnerFlame’ El Ouassi – one of many first managers in LoL esports – is hungry for extra.
With the assistance of Megalodontus, Esports Information UK editor Dom Sacco asks InnerFlame concerning the thought course of behind the roleswaps, going to the identical college as LoL coaches Mac and Quaye, and the way he needs to take SK again to the highest on this interview.

You have been classmates with two different acquainted names from European League of Legends. That should have been uncommon to go from the identical college to the highest of LoL esports.

It was! I used to be classmates and in main college with James ‘Mac’ MacCormack (head coach of LEC Spring 2021 winners Mad Lions) sooner or later. I left and adjusted faculties sooner or later in time, and ultimately I went on to depart college for esports at 17 years outdated.

Mac and I weren’t shut as such, we weren’t unfriendly, we have been sort of in the identical group of kinds, so we knew one another and had a number of courses collectively. We by no means actually frolicked an excessive amount of at college however there was positively no dangerous blood there.

It’s a wierd coincidence, however I additionally went to highschool with Finlay [‘Quaye’ Stewart, formerly of Fnatic and GamersOrigin]. I used to be about seven and he was about eight years outdated, in order that’s even additional again. I keep in mind his title being learn off the register!

The percentages are already astronomical to get into the business, after which have two individuals I went to highschool with additionally competing at this degree of esports is even stranger. It’s a bizarre coincidence.

“I’m very assured we’re not going to complete within the backside few locations. As a common rule, I might slightly fail attempting to achieve success, than being simply okay and my job safety. I actually don’t care about the rest apart from successful – and that’s the notion I need individuals to have about SK.”

On the UK LoL scene: ‘I might like to see extra professional gamers emerge’

I used to be concerned within the Forge of Champions with Misfits for a couple of 12 months or so and I cherished it again then. I had enjoyable and with the ability to return to the UK to see my household and buddies was nice.

For me, I’m joyful to see an increasing number of individuals pop up from the UK. We’re an enormous playerbase and I might like to see extra professional gamers emerge from the UK. For me and each different supervisor, we’d be very happy to choose up UK gamers in the event that they’re good.

The NLC lends itself to an even bigger expertise pool and clearly extra competitors as properly. That can up the extent of the area in the long term, and also you’ve seen it with BT Excel making it to the EU Masters finals not too long ago.

I’m tremendous excited for esports within the UK and hope it continues to develop. We’ve got the premier product in soccer, the Premier League, we’ve an enormous playerbase and stay aggressive on the worldwide stage as properly. So I don’t see why the UK can’t do this in LoL as properly. We do have the participant base, it’s simply concerning the gamers getting the extent of competitors – and I genuinely really feel they’re beginning to do this extra now.

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InnerFlame’s background and the early days of LoL esports

Although I used to be concerned in the beginning of LoL, my curiosity in esports got here earlier than that, throughout my teenage years. My curiosity was predominantly in Counter-Strike and StarCraft, and just a little little bit of WarCraft three as properly. Apparently sufficient, SK Gaming’s web site was a giant place for spotlight movies again within the day. Then League of Legends got here round and I received in early.

I’ve had a little bit of a bizarre profession path. Again in Season 1, there have been clearly no coaches and even participant information was restricted again then. It was a unique recreation. I used to be in a group which was run a bit like a World of Warcraft guild, and I additionally ran tournaments for this group from my bed room. We began from round 12 individuals after which sooner or later we went as much as round 2,000 concurrent members.

I had one group that stored successful my tournaments and I believed how I might get them out so individuals will nonetheless wish to play in my tournaments! So I reached out and informed them that I’d work with them and set them up in opposition to higher opponents. I used to be sort of like one of many earliest ‘managers’ [in LoL esports].

One of many issues that has outlined my profession is that I’ve spent quite a lot of time watching the sport, particularly solo queue. Again then, simply because I left college on the time and was determining what I needed to do, I used to be spending 15 to 16 hours a day watching solo queue, so I had an excellent pulse on the up-and-coming gamers. We have been only a bunch of randoms initially, however I discovered a sponsor/organisation for us [in Gamehoppers.eu], and we turned an excellent on-line group. We have been beating groups like SK and Fnatic on-line.

Now, my position as a common supervisor is to construct good infrastructure for the group, seeing what I didn’t like about issues that have been performed earlier than and what I did like, what I might maintain and attempt to enhance. There’s so much infrastructural modifications that have been made that clearly individuals don’t learn about. Stuff like bettering our lodging, upping our efficiency classes and consulting our efficiency coaches. Only for reference, our head of efficiency is a man known as Benjamin Kugel, who was the health coach of the German nationwide soccer group after they received the World Cup in 2014. We’re working with nice individuals, and it’s about taking the information of those individuals and implementing it in what we’re doing.

Working with gamers like FORG1VEN on his first stint at SK Gaming

Again in these days, the surroundings was much more poisonous. There was so much much less assist when it comes to private improvement since there simply wasn’t the cash within the scene. The distinction in infrastructure we’ve now’s night time and day actually, however again then at SK it was primarily simply the six of us with me because the managing coach. I operated as like a soccer supervisor again then.

I come from Stretham and rising up there toughened you up a bit. I additionally labored as a chef for a bit and that put me by means of stress. I grew a little bit of a spine earlier than I began esports teaching. So coping with egos [is something I’m able to manage].

I had 4 veterans and one rookie participant, so my job was to not train them to play the sport, as a result of I used to be by no means a professional participant myself. My job was to handle these egos and facilitate discussions, driving discussions in the appropriate course so we might enhance.

The tolerance for toxicity was means increased again then. The best way I take a look at it, a number of the best gamers on the market could be tough [to work with or controversial]. If we take a look at UK folklore and Paul Gascoigne for instance, he was a genius however he had his demons. Take a look at Dennis Rodman. They have been actually controversial however it didn’t change the truth that they have been nice gamers.

For me, I don’t thoughts tough gamers. In my entire profession, I’ve labored with many controversial individuals and typically they’ve turned out to be a number of the greatest gamers. I additionally assume a few of these gamers are misunderstood. I believe FORG1VEN is an incredible expertise and he had his points for certain, however as for somebody who has absolute dedication to the sport, this man was obsessed. I couldn’t have requested for extra from him when it comes to his efficiency, as he was the league MVP that season [I worked with him].

“I might like to see extra professional gamers emerge from the UK. We’ve got the premier product in soccer, so I don’t see why the UK can’t do this for LoL as properly. We’ve got the participant base, it’s simply concerning the gamers getting the extent of competitors and so they’re beginning to get that extra now.”

Ideas on Limit saying ‘SK staff hated’ Trick and coping with battle on the whole

Everybody has their very own ethos on how they wish to win. With me, I’ve quite a lot of expectations from my guys to keep up good stability of their life and schedule.

I at all times strive my greatest to get together with my gamers, however typically there are moments the place it doesn’t work like that. On the finish of the day, I’m attempting to make my gamers the very best they are often, as are my coaches. And I hope my gamers are pushing us in the identical course too. We don’t at all times do all the things in the best way they need, so it’s regular for there to be variations occasionally.

You attempt to type the group in the appropriate technique to win video games. You need gamers that match personality-wise, typically I throw in a participant who does have a barely tough persona if the opposite individuals are a bit passive. On the finish of the day, all of us must criticise one another to get higher. All of us wish to win, so there are going to be arguments at occasions, and I believe that’s regular.

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SK reached the Spring 2021 LEC playoffs the place they have been knocked out by Fnatic within the first spherical (Flickr photo by Michal Konkol/Riot Games)

On his successful mentality, SK Gaming’s Spring 2021 LEC roleswap and Jenax saying SK Prime academy gamers Canee and Lilipp might have been promoted to the primary group if it was the Spring Season

Perhaps that’s true. However on the identical time, would we’ve needed to make these modifications within the spring cut up? No, as a result of we clearly needed to see what our gamers might do in a cut up as properly. We needed to return to this conclusion collectively.

One of many principal explanation why we did this roleswap is as a result of everybody on this group could be very conscious of the dynamic we’ve. Jesiz clearly strikes from coach to participant, so it modifications the hierarchy within the group just a little bit, however he’s additionally a senior skilled participant and that already provides some weight. I believe crucial factor to think about is we’ve a brilliant good group ambiance and nice group tradition at SK. If you convey a brand new participant into that, typically that may be disrupted as a result of there’s a social barrier and whatnot. We’re constructing a core right here, we would like one thing long run if attainable. We’ve got our gamers signed into subsequent 12 months. The purpose hasn’t modified for us.

I believe the best way everybody talks about us within the scene proper now, it’s as if we’re okay with ending in sixth place. However since I joined right here, that’s not the place I wish to be. After I joined, we have been ninth. In my first cut up, we completed sixth and I needed to snowball on that. It’s very public now that I attempted to re-sign quite a lot of these gamers however finally they determined to go elsewhere. Then I used to be in one other rebuilding part and we completed in playoffs once more. For us, we realised if we stored issues the best way they have been, perhaps we might’ve had points with getting a better end, however as a result of we had perhaps hit a little bit of a wall… we made a change to be bold and naturally it’s an enormous threat.

For me, I might play it protected, cruise alongside, end in playoffs and no person talks about us. However I’m right here to win it. I don’t care about ending sixth – I wish to win. In my profession, I’ve completed second, third and fourth. I’ve been within the league so lengthy and I’ve come so shut, the very last thing I wish to do is to return shut once more. In Misfits, we have been the primary Western group to convey a Korean group to 5 video games at Worlds, I consider, within the SKT sequence. We might’ve been one of many first Western groups to beat Faker in a best-of-five at Worlds. It was once more, an ‘virtually’.

For me, it’s at all times been so shut. And that’s not adequate for me.

By all means, quote me on this: I’m very assured we’re not going to complete within the backside few locations. As a common rule, I might slightly fail attempting to achieve success, slightly than being simply okay and my job safety.

I actually don’t care about the rest apart from successful – and that’s the notion I need individuals to have about SK. I’m making this alteration with my teammates and with the backing of each single member, it was introduced as a consensus to me. To allow that, I needed to agree with them. So crucial factor for me is that we do no matter we will to be amongst these high spots, and I’ll at all times be that common supervisor who will go for it. I do know some individuals would possibly like that, some won’t, however that’s how I’m and so long as I’m blessed to be on this place, that’s the kind of common supervisor I’m going to be.

However overlook about me: take into consideration what the gamers need. In the event that they assume that is greatest, they have to be onto one thing right here – they’re skilled gamers. And my teaching employees agreed too. We’ve been doing this for a very long time – we wish to make these modifications to try to push us to the following degree.

Lots of people assist us and are confused about this. I believe individuals will love us much more if we do make these modifications and we do properly. We’ve got to make the appropriate choices, and typically you do and typically you don’t.

The gamers did request Jesiz to return again. Initially, he’s a really skilled participant and excessive up in solo queue. Sure, there’s going to be some rust initially, or there was, however he can get again to that degree shortly. Unanimously as a group, we’re very collectively in our tradition and have an excellent angle in direction of enchancment and that’s one of many explanation why we made this alteration. Jesiz understands that.

We additionally wish to assist TynX nonetheless we will, and never solely me however everybody can also be very sympathetic about his place. We wish to make that transition as straightforward as attainable for him, I’m not going to make it laborious for him to hitch one other group, if that’s what he needs. If he needs to remain and develop himself that’s fantastic too, we’ll assist that, since contractually he’s nonetheless an SK participant.

Typically nearly as good as a participant is, they aren’t essentially appropriate with the group. I’ve a number of gamers who’re. Sadly TynX was the one who took the autumn, however he’s a fantastic participant, there’s little doubt about that. I do know his state of affairs is much from superb however on the identical time we wish to assist him nonetheless we will. Like I mentioned earlier than, we make tough choices as a result of we wish to try to win. That’s simply the reality.

“Everybody has their very own ethos on how they wish to win. With me, I’ve quite a lot of expectations from my guys to keep up good stability of their life and schedule. I at all times strive my greatest to get together with my gamers, however typically there are moments the place it doesn’t work like that. It’s regular for there to be variations occasionally.”

Some are saying jungle is the best place to roleswap to, in gentle of SK’s modifications and Bwipo shifting from high to jungle with Fnatic, for instance. What do you assume?

I’ve a barely totally different perspective on it. Some individuals are saying gamers are doing these roleswaps as a result of it’s straightforward, however no, not everybody can jungle. Not each professional participant can roleswap into the jungle. Treatz is an extremely clever participant and that’s one of many explanation why he’s capable of do it.

For a participant to roleswap they should be already very numerous in what they will present to the group as a participant, but in addition their very own intelligence concerning the different roles as properly and the way they will slot into that. We’d not have made this alteration if Treatz was not comfy with it.

I’m tremendous enthusiastic about it and we’ve had a while to follow. I’ve personally seen what he can do as a assist participant, and he’s greater than able to taking part in within the jungle, I can inform you that proper now. He’s a splendidly proficient participant and a fantastic man to work with as properly.

SK will even be beginning mid-laner twohoyrz for the primary week of LEC

Why ought to individuals assist SK Gaming?

We’re not the SK of outdated, I’ll inform you that, so far as ending across the backside goes. We had two seasons now the place we completed in playoffs. I’m certain as you may see from the modifications that we’ve made, we’re not afraid of creating powerful choices to try to get to the highest. I’m certain individuals will wish to see us on the highest degree attainable.

When you take a look at SK as a model, traditionally, it’s at all times been a model related to excellence in many various esports and it’s probably the most profitable esports organisations of all time. The org will keep the identical in that facet, that they at all times wish to be amongst the very best, if not be the very best group. I simply assume we’re not how the group was, we’re not across the backside.

I’ll be trustworthy, no person actually needs to play us both as a result of we’re not a straightforward group to beat. So I believe individuals must be fascinated by us as a result of we’re displaying a unique facet to what the organisation has been in latest occasions. I hope we could be that premier group of excellence and just like the outdated occasions as properly. We wish to be amongst the highest.


You’ll be able to comply with InnerFlame on Twitter and watch SK Gaming play Astralis through the LEC Twitch channel on June 11th at 6pm BST.

See the timings of all the LEC Summer 2021 week 1 matches right here.



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